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July 22, 2003

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randy, i think there's a not very well hidden agenda behind all of this. the us government does not want to have former American presidents, cabinet officers, military and intelligence officers, etc. arrested and tried for our complicity in a lot of these things. i think this administration does not want to deal with chile demanding the extradition of henry kissinger for his role in the assassination of rene schneider in 1970 and salvador allende and the overthrow of the government in chile in 1973. i think that's the real basis for these objections and everything else is just window dressing.

You may very well be right. What I found so annoying at the time of the Pinochet arrest was the drumbeat of hysteria that surrounded the arrest. One would think that every world leader was going to be arrested. Five years on and the fears just haven't materialized.

Pinochet got away. They're not worried. They will just beat the drums if it ever happens again.

Yeah, you're probably right. Thanks for the visit.

One would think that every world leader was going to be arrested. Five years on and the fears just haven't materialized.

That couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Pinochet prosecution failed, eh? One suspects the subsquent cases would've materialized had Pinochet's trial gone forward. As I'm sure you know, predecent is everything in IL.

But as for the rest of your points and the article and the George Will quote, the real reason conservatives distrust the ICC is because we believe that the only targets will be right-wingers. How many lawyers are out there trying to bring Castro before the ICC? Mugabe? Kim Jong-il?

What do we see is British lawyers who threatened to sue Tony Blair before the war with Iraq and Greek lawyers actually doing it afterwards.

Do I expect the Greek petition to haul Blair before the Court to actually succeed? No, but enough nuisiance lawsuits of this kind will make the entire institution look like a joke. Anyone who supports the ICC would do well to encourage human rights lawyers to NOT bring these suits forward.

If Pinochet's prosecution had failed on legal basis that might be the case. However, it was ended because of a political decision by Jack Straw and Tony Blair based on allegations of Pinochet's health. The extradition order to send him to Spain was not ruled unconstitutional nor illegal.

It also placed the Chilean government in the position of having to address the issue of Pinochet's self-imposed immunity, which it stripped him of. While another decision was made not to try him for legal reasons (i.e. his health again), it has weakened the sense of impunity that existed in Chile before Pinochet and I can't believe that does Chile anything but good.

>Do I expect the Greek petition to haul Blair before the Court to actually succeed? No, but enough nuisiance lawsuits of this kind will make the entire institution look like a joke. Anyone who supports the ICC would do well to encourage human rights lawyers to NOT bring these suits forward.

No actually it makes those who bring such lawsuits before the court to look stupid. From the standpoint of wasting the ICC's resources, I agree with your last sentence, however, if the court consistently rejects frivolous lawsuits, IMHO it will only strengthen the court.

Nice catch on the George Will quote. You saved me having to make another post.

>How many lawyers are out there trying to bring Castro before the ICC?

Judicial Watch has in Belgium. You can read about it here. Unfortunately, I doubt if it will go further because the Bush administration has pressured the Belgian government to end such prosecutions. More about that here.

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